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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, why does Imo&#039;s cost just as much as the most expensive pizza, when theirs is so thin and has so little real cheese % in the Provel, in fact, so little topping at all, that they save probably 80% on the ingredients. That&#039;s what I want to know. That gimmicky square cut doesn&#039;t do well in the fridge. Unlike thicker square-cut pizza with more stuff on it, the smaller edge pieces turn quickly into flavored triangle crackers. ...pure waste.

At a certain point you have to say what&#039;s a pizza and what&#039;s not. You could argue whether, in sandwiches, a wrap, a pita pocket, a burrito that is Mexican in shape only, 2 pancakes with something between them, etc., are actually sandwiches. Yes, technically--but (especially for the last 2) not really. No.

In that same way, Imo&#039;s is kind of tasty if you&#039;re not comparing it too closely with actual pizza.
It&#039;s good in a class by itself, sort of in the same way that Kraft Dinner is &quot;cheesy&quot; and Velveeta and other &quot;processed cheese foods&quot; are authentic to themselves, and (to some people) yummy in their own right--but in no way do they resemble the real thing. They don&#039;t need to; in fact it&#039;s when you compare that they look nasty. Do pizza-flavored potato chips taste like pizza? Yes and no. I really love Kraft dinner as a total comforting junk childhood-memory indulgence, but when I think of cooking some macaroni and cheese, it never crosses my mind. Different category!

Imo&#039;s IS a cracker with topping--what else IS an ultra-thin, baked or toasted, dry, crunchy, brittle, grain-flour-based non-risen bread product, but the very definition of &quot;cracker&quot;? The topping is very thin, so it could be argued it is just a flavoring, a condiment to the cracker...The too-salty, gooey Italian-style &quot;Velveeta&quot; is tasty, too, if you think of it as just that: Provel, though it contains real cheese, is very pricey &quot;processed multi-cheese food&quot;, rather than actual cheese. Thought of that way, it becomes nicely smokey-tasting, non-stretchy, non-chewy &quot; cheese food&quot;---although in a quantity I&#039;d consider, again, only a condiment.

So, the ingredients are (honestly) pretty good, if you&#039;re not expecting : bread, cheese, any quantity of sauce, or vegetables other than condiments. (They do pile on the olives sometimes--a variable bonus.) There&#039;s enough meat for the meat-eaters, but not the meat-lovers, and the vegetables are mere shreds,  thinly scattered and cooked to the shriveled what-is-that-meant-to-be? stage. It wouldn&#039;t matter if they were fresh or not--there are too few and they&#039;re too tiny to taste the difference. What they do add that is often lacking in St. Louis pizza is seasoning in the (too-scanty) sauce--it really helps.

Talayna&#039;s would be great, but the pizza is all but lacking sauce, it&#039;s so thinly applied, and watery. The fresh yeasty bread is a nice thickness, and the ingredients are tasty, fresh, and accompanied by real cheese. I&#039;ve thought of taking in some decent sauce or even tomato paste and asking them to use it instead. The St. Louis Pizza company on South Hampton in the city would be tasty if its sauce had a trace of seasoning.   And so on....sighhhh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, why does Imo&#8217;s cost just as much as the most expensive pizza, when theirs is so thin and has so little real cheese % in the Provel, in fact, so little topping at all, that they save probably 80% on the ingredients. That&#8217;s what I want to know. That gimmicky square cut doesn&#8217;t do well in the fridge. Unlike thicker square-cut pizza with more stuff on it, the smaller edge pieces turn quickly into flavored triangle crackers. &#8230;pure waste.</p>
<p>At a certain point you have to say what&#8217;s a pizza and what&#8217;s not. You could argue whether, in sandwiches, a wrap, a pita pocket, a burrito that is Mexican in shape only, 2 pancakes with something between them, etc., are actually sandwiches. Yes, technically&#8211;but (especially for the last 2) not really. No.</p>
<p>In that same way, Imo&#8217;s is kind of tasty if you&#8217;re not comparing it too closely with actual pizza.<br />
It&#8217;s good in a class by itself, sort of in the same way that Kraft Dinner is &#8220;cheesy&#8221; and Velveeta and other &#8220;processed cheese foods&#8221; are authentic to themselves, and (to some people) yummy in their own right&#8211;but in no way do they resemble the real thing. They don&#8217;t need to; in fact it&#8217;s when you compare that they look nasty. Do pizza-flavored potato chips taste like pizza? Yes and no. I really love Kraft dinner as a total comforting junk childhood-memory indulgence, but when I think of cooking some macaroni and cheese, it never crosses my mind. Different category!</p>
<p>Imo&#8217;s IS a cracker with topping&#8211;what else IS an ultra-thin, baked or toasted, dry, crunchy, brittle, grain-flour-based non-risen bread product, but the very definition of &#8220;cracker&#8221;? The topping is very thin, so it could be argued it is just a flavoring, a condiment to the cracker&#8230;The too-salty, gooey Italian-style &#8220;Velveeta&#8221; is tasty, too, if you think of it as just that: Provel, though it contains real cheese, is very pricey &#8220;processed multi-cheese food&#8221;, rather than actual cheese. Thought of that way, it becomes nicely smokey-tasting, non-stretchy, non-chewy &#8221; cheese food&#8221;&#8212;although in a quantity I&#8217;d consider, again, only a condiment.</p>
<p>So, the ingredients are (honestly) pretty good, if you&#8217;re not expecting : bread, cheese, any quantity of sauce, or vegetables other than condiments. (They do pile on the olives sometimes&#8211;a variable bonus.) There&#8217;s enough meat for the meat-eaters, but not the meat-lovers, and the vegetables are mere shreds,  thinly scattered and cooked to the shriveled what-is-that-meant-to-be? stage. It wouldn&#8217;t matter if they were fresh or not&#8211;there are too few and they&#8217;re too tiny to taste the difference. What they do add that is often lacking in St. Louis pizza is seasoning in the (too-scanty) sauce&#8211;it really helps.</p>
<p>Talayna&#8217;s would be great, but the pizza is all but lacking sauce, it&#8217;s so thinly applied, and watery. The fresh yeasty bread is a nice thickness, and the ingredients are tasty, fresh, and accompanied by real cheese. I&#8217;ve thought of taking in some decent sauce or even tomato paste and asking them to use it instead. The St. Louis Pizza company on South Hampton in the city would be tasty if its sauce had a trace of seasoning.   And so on&#8230;.sighhhh.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 02:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t say that I&#039;m a fan of Imo&#039;s, even after living here for 10 years and being married to a woman who thinks it&#039;s the best pizza in the world.  I think it&#039;s &#039;vomit on a cracker.&#039;

I am a very big fan of Dewey&#039;s Pizza in U City and La Pizza in U City.  I&#039;ve been to Pi a couple of times, but I guess I prefer NY style crusts to deep dish.

Nice article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t say that I&#8217;m a fan of Imo&#8217;s, even after living here for 10 years and being married to a woman who thinks it&#8217;s the best pizza in the world.  I think it&#8217;s &#8216;vomit on a cracker.&#8217;</p>
<p>I am a very big fan of Dewey&#8217;s Pizza in U City and La Pizza in U City.  I&#8217;ve been to Pi a couple of times, but I guess I prefer NY style crusts to deep dish.</p>
<p>Nice article.</p>
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		<title>By: Karoline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karoline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in all of the times that i have gone home to visit ben&#039;s parents, we have never had pizza.  maybe we will have to change that!   now, &quot;toasted raviolah&quot; - as renee pronounces it -- that&#039;s a different story...a st. louis tradition that this chicagoan loves!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in all of the times that i have gone home to visit ben&#8217;s parents, we have never had pizza.  maybe we will have to change that!   now, &#8220;toasted raviolah&#8221; &#8211; as renee pronounces it &#8212; that&#8217;s a different story&#8230;a st. louis tradition that this chicagoan loves!</p>
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		<title>By: SpaceMonkeyX</title>
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		<dc:creator>SpaceMonkeyX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Sara, I&#039;m from the Champaign-area and I can attest to the incredible pizza at Papa Del&#039;s. Another favorite up there is Monical&#039;s Pizza.  For a thin crust, it&#039;s pretty darn good.  

Also like her, I can&#039;t do IMO&#039;s. A previous employer always used to get it for lunch meetings and I would skip lunch those days rather than eat it.  I just can&#039;t get past the consistency of the Provel. 

Another STL pizza that&#039;s worth trying - Fortel&#039;s Pizza Den.  They have a few locations in the area, so surely one is near you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Sara, I&#8217;m from the Champaign-area and I can attest to the incredible pizza at Papa Del&#8217;s. Another favorite up there is Monical&#8217;s Pizza.  For a thin crust, it&#8217;s pretty darn good.  </p>
<p>Also like her, I can&#8217;t do IMO&#8217;s. A previous employer always used to get it for lunch meetings and I would skip lunch those days rather than eat it.  I just can&#8217;t get past the consistency of the Provel. </p>
<p>Another STL pizza that&#8217;s worth trying &#8211; Fortel&#8217;s Pizza Den.  They have a few locations in the area, so surely one is near you.</p>
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		<title>By: brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>black thorn pizza&#039;s crust is very very bland, so if you like that kind of thing then i guess its good pizza.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>black thorn pizza&#8217;s crust is very very bland, so if you like that kind of thing then i guess its good pizza.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We moved to St Louis from Champaign IL a few decades ago and my idea of delicious pizza is Papa Del&#039;s from Champaign. His restaurant served (serves) a Chicago style deep dish. He was a Chicago native and his staff used to drive up to Chicago on a regular basis for authentic ingredients. I still remember the first Imo&#039;s pizza we ordered as new St Lousi residents. I was gravely dissappointed. To me it tasted like velveeta on a cracker. I just wasn&#039;t prepared for Provel! I&#039;ve tasted some decent pizza in St Louis, but nothing memorable. St Louis does, however,  have a lot of other fabulous food to offer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We moved to St Louis from Champaign IL a few decades ago and my idea of delicious pizza is Papa Del&#8217;s from Champaign. His restaurant served (serves) a Chicago style deep dish. He was a Chicago native and his staff used to drive up to Chicago on a regular basis for authentic ingredients. I still remember the first Imo&#8217;s pizza we ordered as new St Lousi residents. I was gravely dissappointed. To me it tasted like velveeta on a cracker. I just wasn&#8217;t prepared for Provel! I&#8217;ve tasted some decent pizza in St Louis, but nothing memorable. St Louis does, however,  have a lot of other fabulous food to offer!</p>
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		<title>By: Carlie Irwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlie Irwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I know, Talayna&#039;s is still open, but I&#039;ve never been there - I&#039;ll definitely have to try them sometime, along with the other recommendations!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I know, Talayna&#8217;s is still open, but I&#8217;ve never been there &#8211; I&#8217;ll definitely have to try them sometime, along with the other recommendations!</p>
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		<title>By: JulieDooley</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article! I do agree with you about baseball vs pizza (shhh, don&#039;t tell Mike). As another Chicago native I can back you up on this...however, I never acquired a taste for Imo&#039;s and don&#039;t ever want to! The only St. Louis style I can stomach is Cecil Whittaker&#039;s, and even that is kind of pushing it.

Black Thorn is deep dish, but not Chicago style...but I do love it! We&#039;ll have to try Pi next time we&#039;re in town. Also, I do think Talayna&#039;s is about the closest I&#039;ve ever had to true, good Chicago-style in the StL. Are they still open?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! I do agree with you about baseball vs pizza (shhh, don&#8217;t tell Mike). As another Chicago native I can back you up on this&#8230;however, I never acquired a taste for Imo&#8217;s and don&#8217;t ever want to! The only St. Louis style I can stomach is Cecil Whittaker&#8217;s, and even that is kind of pushing it.</p>
<p>Black Thorn is deep dish, but not Chicago style&#8230;but I do love it! We&#8217;ll have to try Pi next time we&#8217;re in town. Also, I do think Talayna&#8217;s is about the closest I&#8217;ve ever had to true, good Chicago-style in the StL. Are they still open?</p>
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		<title>By: Holly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a St. Louis native, so I&#039;m an Imo&#039;s fan, but I also like the thick stuff. Talayna&#039;s has pretty yummy deep dish with Italian sausage. MMMM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a St. Louis native, so I&#8217;m an Imo&#8217;s fan, but I also like the thick stuff. Talayna&#8217;s has pretty yummy deep dish with Italian sausage. MMMM.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>La Pizza in U City is great New York style pizza. Chicago style only gives your diarrhea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La Pizza in U City is great New York style pizza. Chicago style only gives your diarrhea.</p>
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